[marsaw92 posted out-of-topic to an existing thread, so his/her comment has been moved here:]
marsaw92 says:
Well, I kinda' figured that was what this was all about: the great "Global Warming" myth. As the old saying goes -"There's a sucker born every day." I don't guess you brainiacs ever heard(or want to believe in) sun warming "cycles.) Have you ever bothered to investigate why Greenland is covered in ice and snow and Iceland is not? Or what was the cause of the so-called "Little Ice Age?" Uh-oh, maybe, just maybe you might have to back up and re-think some of the hysterical theories brought forth by numb-nuts like Al Gore.
Hey, I'll be among the first to agree we need to cut back on hydrocarbon emissions in the atmosphere to improve the quality of air we breathe and reduce(or better yet, eliminate) our dependency on foreign oil. But subsidising field-corn growers and ethanol producers at the rate of $.51 per gallon with our tax money isn't the answer, either. Further, we need to get "big oil, big coal, big utilities, and the automakers" out of the pockets of career politicians. You career protesters need to put pressure on ALL politicians to do what they were elected to do and not put getting re-elected 1st on their agendas!
It is somewhat difficult to address your points when they're interspersed with derogatory phrasing and name-calling. But I will offer a few references so that you might be able to read up and understand the Milankovitch cycles (which includes the sun cycle), and the significance of what's commonly called the Little Ice Age.
I recommend a book called The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery. Eminently readable and extremely accurate, it's an excellent overview of the past few million years of the Earth's climate. In addition, it provides an appropriately nuanced explanation of the relationship between various kinds of greenhouse gases, and the Earth's atmosphere. Overall, the book may be able to help guide you out of the mire of confused generalizations.
I also recommend a book called Field Notes From a Catastrophe by Elizabeth Kolbert. It is a collection of Kolbert's observations and interactions with scientists around the world, as well as with people whose lives are carried out at, literally, the edges of the world (for instance, as you mentioned, Greenland), where changes are happening so rapidly before their eyes it's a wonder just how insulated from information--indeed, what happens on the rest of this globe--we are.
Those are probably the most accurate and enjoyable-to-read introductory texts on the subject. Feel free to let me know if you are curious for more nitty-gritty stuff.
flutterbygirl
Jan 26th 2007
This is all very new and interesting to me. I dont see why people arent allowed to express their thoughts and beliefs without an outsider coming to the group, with a bad attitude and thinking that everyone should think the way they do. It makes me angry, why dont these people stick to their own boards? Well, anyhow... I think that you are doing a great thing here. We have the right to make our own decisions given the information we are provided. Thank you.
I am currently living in France. Until you have lived in a house in a cold climate with thick stone walls and no insulation, you cannot realise how indifferent people can be to wasting oil in the name of creature comfort. We have switched off the worst gas heating system you (and the inspector) have ever seen, and run a small electric fan heater and wear outdoor clothing inside, because we fluctuate between 10 & 11 degrees celsius, but EVERYONE ELSE in the building (5) runs their individual heating systems, usually around 22 to 24 degrees celsius, with 90% of the effort disappearing upward and outward. When invited to discuss what we might do as a group to get better insulation, they just puff out their cheeks, a typical french expression, and retreat to some mental corner where they feel comfortable. This is another foregn country, 66 million, affluent, individual, toally-not-interested-in-your-opinion people, and until you or I find a way to get to these non english speaking people, we are just p***ing in the wind. This is not a language problem. This is an alien concept problem.